I promised Michael I wouldn't call this episode "Dev Down Under" but I really, really wanted to. Michael trained as an engineer in Australia before coming to Seattle to work at AWS and then switched another very large tech company in Seattle. We talked about his career and how he went from eating humble vegemite on toast to eating pretentious avocado on toast.

Apparently there are these places outside of the United States called "other countries" and they do their CS undergrad programs quite differently there! Who knew? Well, I know, and now you do too. The other topic we drilled into was hiring. Michael's done quite a bit of it, so every piece of advice he dispensed could be the difference between travelling the world on a gleaming yacht made out of stock grants or scraping by in a fetid hut made out of pre-ipo shares.